December 18, 2000
Marti Noxon was a spooky kid. In high school, she imagined herself
floating down the hall, specter-like, pondering all things dark and
tortured as her shiny happy classmates passed her by. And of course,
her shadowy reflections were always accompanied by a theme song.
"Whooo-oooh-ooooooh!" intones Marti, conjuring up a ghostly
image of the future Buffy scribe as a haunted teen. "I was
very preoccupied with all things grim," she says. "Now the funny
thing is, that's how I remember it. But then I run into people
who I went to high school with who are like, 'You weren't like that
at all! You were totally goofy and you were always, you know, singing
and laughing!'" She laughs, taking on a slightly self-mocking tone.
"And I'm like, 'No, I was very dark and deep. I had a theme song,
and it wasn't 'Get Happy.' It was...whooo-oooh-ooooooh!"
Marti's haunted childhood has served her well. After graduating
from film school at UC Santa Cruz and working as a writer's assistant,
she joined the ghoulish Buffy staff in season 2 and currently
serves as co-executive producer and Slayer mastermind Joss Whedon's
second-in-command. Recently, she also found time to do a rewrite
on a big monster movie and sell a romantic comedy idea, both for
Universal.
And this week, she's making her directorial debut with the Buffy
episode "Into the Woods" (Tuesday, 8 pm on The WB), which
focuses on the increasingly troubled relationship between the Buffster
(Sarah Michelle Gellar) and downtrodden boyfriend Riley (Marc Blucas).
"It's just about their relationship. It's going to take them in
a new direction," she says. "We get bits of the other characters,
there's other stuff going on, but it's a pretty Buffy/Riley heavy
ep. It's going to address some of the stuff you've seen [Riley]
sneak around and do. We're going to look at some of that more closely."
If Joss is the behind-the-scenes Buffy, then Marti is all Willow
enthusiasm and zingy Spike wit -- with a touch of good ol' Xander
self-deprecation. For example, when I mention fellow Buffy
scribe David Fury, she goes into mock-jealous mode. "You know, he
has his own fan club," she says conspiratorially. "And, like, his
own Web site."
Uh...so do you, Marti! "I do not!" she laughs. "Or they haven't
really gotten around to it, so he's a much bigger deal than me."
Nah -- much as we love The
Fury (who, by the way, says that Marti is "the
best writer on the show, save for Joss"), we have a
special place in our hearts for Buffy's resident
chains 'n' pain gal. As we continue to chat via phone,
she reveals all about about directing, haunted houses,
and naturally, being a "sneaky, evil leader."
IGN Sci-Fi: So you were kind of spooky as a kid, eh?
Marti: Yeah -- I just filled out a questionnaire for a
writing program I was part of, and they asked, "What are the things
that have contributed to you having a good career?" It was the practical
things, like having good luck and hard work and perseverance...and
a really grim childhood. A turbulent and spooky childhood.
The first house I remember [living in], my mother told me was
haunted. The woman who died there left a trunk in the attic that
my mom found, that was full of all her letters, and her dresses
and pictures. My mother was a visual artist, and she created this
collage of a floating dress of the ghost who lived in our house.
That was the kind of world that I was already living in by the time
I was like 5, you know? Looking for the ghost in our house and totally
freaked out about it. The world was already explained to me as a
place where very spooky things were going on.
IGN Sci-Fi: And on Buffy, you sort of go for the
dark romantic stuff. Like, they call you the "chains 'n' pain" gal.
Marti: Well, that's sort of what Joss has dubbed me. We have
a lot of other great writers who do a lot of pain and sex themselves.
But certainly, when an episode comes out that looks like it's going
include a whole lot of melodrama or a whole lot of sex, I'm usually
the one going, "Ah? Mmm hmmm..."
Joss read a lot of my sample work before I got hired on the show,
and I didn't realize it, but almost every one had like, suicide,
as a theme. He called me "the suicide gal" when I first came to
work here, because all my stuff was so dark and so serious, and
that kind of put me on my path here. Bein' that gal!
IGN Sci-Fi: Which sort of culminated with the Dracula episode
["Buffy vs. Dracula"], which was so goth...
Marti: Right. And has all that Dracula sexuality. You kinda
want him to bite ya! To me, the Dracula myth is so much about longing
for eternal love, not just love that lasts for a month or so. Not
Hollywood love! But eternal love, eternal life. But to me, it's
all about sex anyway! I do gravitate towards the episodes that are
a little...naughtier. Whereas some of the other writers [have] backgrounds
that are more in comedy, and they tend to go more that way. I think
we've all learned to stretch and grow a little bit in other directions.
I hope that I'm a little funnier than I used to be.
IGN Sci-Fi: Well, you are Joss' second-in-command.
Are you guys like Kirk and Spock?
Marti: [Laughing] When David Greenwalt was around, we were
the Evil Triumvirate. The three of us were thick as thieves and
always getting into trouble, and now it's pretty much just Joss
and me, 'cause David is working on Angel. But we have a really
good writing staff, and they are all really involved and a real
big part of the process all the way through. There isn't a whole
lot of me and Joss ducking off by ourselves, but it does happen.
He also gives me a lot of responsibility in his stead. If he doesn't
want to do some stuff, then usually, it falls to me. And that's
my pleasure, it's a really good gig. When he can't go to the set,
I will, or if he doesn't want to take a pass at the show editing,
than I will, and so on. It's the best education in the world, and
I'm getting paid. He's really, really, really brilliant. There aren't
many people as smart as he is or as talented as he is in...the world.
So, to be able to learn from one of them has been amazing.
IGN Sci-Fi: Speaking of more responsibility, what was the
whole directing thing like?
Marti: The fun part of it is that you are able to really
take full responsibility for the end product in a way that you can't
when you just write it. And that means when something goes wrong
and you mess up, you don't get to point the finger at somebody else.
But when something goes right, you really get the image in your
head that you had when you were writing it. And that's a really
amazing feeling, to be able to have a picture in your head and then
see it come to fruition. It's kind of like when you go to the movies
and you're like, "Man, I can't believe they're doing that, you should
do it this way!" When you're directing...they do! [Laughs]
You know?
And I'm such an armchair critic, I'll sit at movies or at home
watching television, and go, "Oh...uh...ah...why doesn't she, you
know, turn that direction...that's ridiculous!" My husband
is like, "Finally! She gets the chance to boss people around and
have some effect." And it wasn't really even an experience of bossing
people around. I mean, maybe for some people it's all about establishing
control, but for me it was a process of knowing what I wanted and
trying to find a way to help everybody realize that. And then sometimes
it was a process of not knowing what I wanted and asking for help.
So it was much more collaborative then I thought it was going to
be. I had a lot of fear that it was going be all about trying to
be a big, fat, mean leader, and that's not really my style. I'm
much more of a sneaky leader.
IGN Sci-Fi: Going into the second half of the season of
Buffy, can we expect lots of big revelations and blowing
things up?
Marti: Oh, my goodness! Well, this year, the final episode
is our 100th episode, so Joss came in early with a notion of where
we were going, and it's pretty huge. Because it's the 100th episode,
he's aiming for a really huge climax. So everything's going to spin
wildly out of control any minute. It's gonna be cool. It's
pretty major -- that's all I can say!
IGN Sci-Fi: And will we be seeing any new characters?
Marti: Yes! We are going to have a new character coming
in. And I can't say anything about that person, but we are going
to be introducing someone really unusual fairly soon.
IGN Sci-Fi: You know, Buffy's sort of unique in
that the writers are as adored as the actors. What's that like,
having such a following?
Marti: It's cool! Fortunately, it isn't really like
what it's like for the stars. I've been with Sarah [Michelle Gellar]
out in public, and that's scary. She can't live her life in a normal
way. Writers get to fly underneath the radar, and I've heard a certain
writer that I'm very fond of say that it's best that way. The minute
a writer becomes famous, they kind of lose the experience of being
human in a normal way, and that's what we're supposed to be talking
about. I mean, I like press as much as anyone else, and I like getting
attention, cause I'm a big needy person, but at the same time, I'm
glad I have the experience of being human on a daily basis.
But the fact that we do get recognition for the fact that we contribute
to the show is really amazing, 'cause I think most writers feel
that people think that the actors make it up. You know, "They're
so clever!" Wait! We're clever! We make them seem clever! The fact
that there's an awareness that there are people behind the scenes
who actually contribute is really neat. And we have such a great
fanbase. They're so into it, and they so appreciate it, and it makes
coming to work really fun.
IGN Sci-Fi: So do you ever do the posting board thing?
Marti: I used to, but then, I have to be honest, I logged
on one day, and the first thing I saw was, "Marti Noxon sucks!"
And I knew that it was one person, some place in America, but I
couldn't get it out of my head. I was like, "I'm gonna call that
guy! I'm gonna tell him, he doesn't understand! My episodes,
you know, they're all about feelings! And he needs to look at that!!"
People were going, "Marti, it's one guy."
But if I get on the board, and people are sort of "eh" about an
episode, then I really take it to heart. And if they're psyched
about it, I'm psyched, but my emotional life shouldn't rise and
fall with the interweb, you know? [Laughs] Although I do confess
to ego-surfing every once in a while. You know, typing my name in
and seeing what comes up. [Laughs] Mostly, it's scripts on eBay.
IGN Sci-Fi: So you can bid on a Marti Noxon original...
Marti: Exactly. You can get some horrible first draft or
something. Really hate me! Jump on the web and tell everybody.
IGN Sci-Fi: Last question: what does the Marti Noxon action
figure come with?
Marti: [Laughing] OK, a six-pack of Tab, the Jeff Bynam
action figure [her husband] -- we're a set. Our two little dogs,
our wondermutts. Twix candy bars...cause I eat so well! A "Joss
Whedon is a God" baby T-shirt. And a little tiny bottle of Prozac.
--Sarah Kuhn
would like her own spooky theme song.